Interesting discussion here by Nephtali...I remember a university professor at a Christian college saying he had only seen one fight in all of his years, and it was a fight between two students who held these differing views. Maybe we would do well to accept what the Lord said in the scriptures and move along. I find the idea that we can fully understand the will and mind of God perplexing. If the Lord says both free will and predestination are in effect, why do we have to find a way to categorize every event that occurs in life? I'm quite at peace simply accepting the truth of His word. I hope you are too...